Hi: Darn. I thought I already posted this, but I must have done something wrong in the post. Anyway I really need help asevery piece of protection I have (malwarebytes, Avast, and Zonealarm)have been shut down. I even tried deleting malwarebytes and then rebooted in safe mode, reinstalled and tried to run. It ran for about 3-4 seconds and then shutdown and won't restart. Other symptoms include multiple blank page popups, hijack of the browser (firefox) so I can only enter through the cache, sometimes I lose all my icons, and when I go to reboot there is one program that won't shut down--hello4. Looking at other posts,there is probably more information that you need, bur I can't give you any logs, as nothing runs. I also should mention that I'm not very "techie", so if you keep that in mind in your responses I'd appreciate it. I am good though at following directions though, so just tell me what to do and I'll do it. I apologize. After I posted this I saw it farther down on the page. There doesn't seem to be a delete available (or I can't find it) or I would have just gotten this of this post. Again my apologies, it's been a frenzied day. pamster