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Just curious why the v8.3 version of AdwCleaner is hosted at many of the download websites but it was apparently removed from the Product Lifecycle website. There is an update to the web page on the day v8.3 was released but no mention of v8.3. Was/Why was it pulled from the website and is this an unstable version that is being distributed by places like Majorgeeks, Techspot and others.

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Hi @evilfantasy,

 

I assume that the final of v8.3 was not released so far, there is only a beta version out there.

I'm pretty sure that @jboursier will create a sticky topic when the final version was officially released.

 

Everybody may correct me if I'm wrong.

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There is no mention of beta on the download websites. They all list it a if it is a final release and there is also no mention of a beta or final release on the AdwCleaner Lifecycle web page I linked to above. There was a June 3rd release (alpha? beta? final?) but no official documentation.

One website even lists a v8.3.1 Alpha but I downloaded it and the "About" tab shows it to be the v8.3.0 version released on June 3rd. The downloaded AdwCleaner program says it is v8.3.1 though.

Reference:

Malwarebytes AdwCleaner 8.3.0 Final (Majorgeeks - June 03)

AdwCleaner 8.3.0 (Techspot - "Final version updated to 8.3" June 3)

And multiple others.

This is interesting but they do not link to anything official from Malwarebytes so I have no idea where the title came from. AdwCleaner 8.3 Final - Pulled back to Beta (June 03, 2021)

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As of the time/date of this reply, and due to their present matching SHA-256 hashes, the unannounced v8.3.1 Alpha and the unannounced v8.3 Beta would be functionally equal.

HTH

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I use Toolslib as well to check for new versions, please have a look here , that counts for me. 

There is no final v8.3 out , only "alpha" and "beta" versions were released so far.

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Hello,

I confirm that 8.3.0 stable has not been released yet. We were hoping to ship it later last week but we got delayed, aiming for this week instead. 🤞

The published 8.3.0 and 8.3.1 from the links above are all legit pre-versions to this day, and not the final release.

Hopefully that address your questions or concerns, but let me know if you have any other questions,

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It was obviously released. Maybe on accident but it is available to anyone who wants it so to say it has not been released is just not true.

Malwarebytes releases have been a mess at least for home users, for years, and it's something I am used to. It's just a shame when other websites have more current information. Malwarebytes 4.4.0.222 was released yesterday but the MBSetup.exe from Malwarebytes.com installs a previous version.

Either way, I'm done here. I stopped worrying about this long ago and just wait for the software to alert me to updates. The previous versions are still fully functional so I am protected even if it is a version behind. I only started this topic because someone from another forum was asking why v8.3 is available on download websites but not Malwarebytes.

Later guys.

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@evilfantasy As I said above, AdwCleaner 8.3 stable has not been released yet. Only pre-versions (beta, alpha) have been. Other websites may have picked up these pre-versions and labelled them as stable, but we have always recommended users to not fetch AdwCleaner from third party websites and this is another example of why we advise against doing that. When a new AdwCleaner stable version gets release you will be prompted in-app.

Regarding other Malwarebytes products release cycles you may have more luck to ask in this section.

Regards,

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You kind of just threw your 3rd party partners under the bus saying they can not be trusted. If that's the case Malwarebytes should pull them from the partner program altogether.

You guys released this and then for whatever reason pulled it back because there is an update on the AdwCleaner Lifecycle website the day it was released, June 3rd. I know for a fact that Majorgeeks regularly labels Beta releases and Beta releases and update information is provided to them by vendors. I also know update information is provided to them by vendors. They don't have the time to go looking for updates from thousands of software programs every day. Sorry but the miscommunication is on Malwarebytes not Majorgeeks, Techspot and others.

I'm really done this time. Like I said earlier I stopped worrying about this long ago and I am happy to let it go and stop worrying about it again.

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Hello @evilfantasy,

20 hours ago, evilfantasy said:

I know for a fact that Majorgeeks regularly labels Beta releases and Beta releases and update information is provided to them by vendors. I also know update information is provided to them by vendors. They don't have the time to go looking for updates from thousands of software programs every day. Sorry but the miscommunication is on Malwarebytes not Majorgeeks, Techspot and others.

I don't know how you got this false information about AdwCleaner, but I definitely don't provide them a notice every-time there is a new AdwCleaner release. I'm sure they have automated systems to deal with monitoring updates for software they host. You would be amazed by the amount of requests from various scrapers we see in action a few seconds after each new AdwCleaner release 😉

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Please explain to me how there was an update to the AdwCleaner Lifecycle page the same day that the 8.3 version was listed at Majorgeeks but mysteriously there is no updated version of AdwCleaner on the website? Somehow that update of 8.3 was released (alpha, beta, final, whatever) but then removed. Majorgeeks just happened to download the 8.3 version thinking it was a final release before Malwarebytes pulled it.

I would have a lot more faith in this whole conversation if you just admitted it was released in error. Majorgeeks didn't make up the 8.3 version because you yourself confirmed it is real.

I think it is kind of tacky to talk about one of the vendors in your partner program like you are. Majorgeeks isn't just some scraper website looking for clicks. They have been around longer than Malwarebytes and they have promoted Malwarebytes at the top of their home page for years. Someone on your end made a mistake and now there is apparently an unstable copy of AdwCleaner in circulation. I'm not sure why that is so hard to admit. Remember the time sUBs accidentally released a version of Combofix that infected machines with the Sality virus? That's just one example I witnessed over the years and years I have been helping on forums with malware removal. Mistakes happen. It's not the end of the world. Placing blame on people who downloaded a file from Malwarebytes is tacky though.

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Once again I confirm that there has been no content update on the AdwCleaner Lifecycle page. The only change on this page since the 8.2 release has been a formatting improvement for the table.

It seems that you are trying to blame me or whoever on AdwCleaner's team about this non-issue and I don't understand why. Thus in full honesty I'm reaching Major Geeks to ask them where they got the wrong information about a final AdwCleaner 8.3, and to advise them to use the "Release" field on the update Manifest or the Lifecycle page or the forum announcements to be notified of new versions, and that no other source is official.

I'll answer accordingly when I get any new information from them.

Regards,

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1 hour ago, evilfantasy said:

Thanks. Honestly this is all just baffling to me. ToolsLib lists 2 different versions of 8.3. I don't think anybody is acting in bad faith but it seems like there was a miscommunication or mistaken release somewhere.

ToolsLib is where the development happens if I remember correctly. Even the Malwarebytes link to ADW links to the stable version on toolsLib servers.

Majorgeeks ends up fooling users into thinking there is a new version Of Malwarebytes each time the installer version changes as well. There is no program version Malwarebytes 4.4.0.222 That is the installer version not the actual program version. It still installs 4.4.0.117. We get users posting all the time why they do not have the current version as portrayed by MG.

 

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ToolsLib hosts 8.3 but Majorgeeks shouldn't? Maybe that's where they got it from. 

I downloaded this MBsetup.exe from Malwarebytes.com. When I ran it the version installed was 4.4.0.117. It sure looks like a new product number has been released and not just an installer version. I've been using Malwarebytes for 14 years and it fools me into thinking it is a new product version so again it's hard for me to accept that this is Majorgeeks and other download websites intentionally fooling people. In a few days to a few weeks from now the in app update will install v4.4.0.222 so the installer version and software version has always confused me. Thanks for clearing that up. 

Is Malwarebytes also tricking users into thinking a new version is available? No. It's just a miscommunication between developers, download websites and end users like me. Like I said I don't think anyone is acting in bad faith here. It's a miscommunication. 

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The installer version changes several times during a program version run. It applies to the online install from the MB website and the less known offline installer.

It fixes install issues and still install the main released program version. Think of when the installer started pushing Browser Guard and also MB Privacy in install.

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15 minutes ago, Porthos said:

Think of when the installer started pushing Browser Guard and also MB Privacy in install.

Please don't get me started on the in-software marketing... 😡🤬

Thanks for that information though. People do often get confused on the software vs installer updates and now I have an actual answer for the next time this comes up. I'll even send the Majorgeeks admin a message telling him he is unintentionally listing the wrong information.

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We see the same thing on another software forum; users asking why Majorgeeks, and others, have new versions before they are announced on the softwares own official website/forum.

It's simply because these sites want to be 'first with the news' and so scan the manufacturers download servers for new versions before they are fully ready for final release, and then 'release' the not-quite-final version. (Which may or may not be what gets finally RTM).
As a staff member there explained:

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Due to caching, etc the launch processes go from the bottom up - file appears on the server, then the various linked website pages are updated and then the release announcement is made only after everything is ready.

Some eagle-eyed folks keep spamming httpx://download.######.com/##setup_v##.exe to try and get a headstart on publication during this short window - which we have tried to keep as small as possible to minimise the risk of third parties publishing links to release candidates that are later pulled.

 

(I've '#'d out the software name).

So what you see on Majorgeeks, and others, may be the final RTM version, but it may not be.
Majorgeeks themselves have been caught out in the past when they scraped and posted a pre-release version of that particular software that contained a significant bug, the bug was found late and the update pulled just before the scheduled release. Of course anyone who had already downloaded that pre-release from Majorgeeks got the bugged version.
(And then came complaining on the official forum, we pointed them straight back to Majorgeeks to complain there).

This is why most software manufacturers will recommend that you only to download/update from the official site and not from 3rd party sites.
(Or from Software Updaters, those usually/often use 3rd party sites).
If it's not on the official site then it's not been released yet.

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13 hours ago, evilfantasy said:

Thanks. Honestly this is all just baffling to me. ToolsLib lists 2 different versions of 8.3. I don't think anybody is acting in bad faith but it seems like there was a miscommunication or mistaken release somewhere.

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They are labelled as Beta and Alpha, and none are the default downloaded files.

I reached out to MajorGeeks but haven't received a reply yet. I will keep this post updated when I get one.

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Hello,

Here the answer from MajorGeeks I received, posted with permission:

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My apologies, I will fix that immediately. We hadn't seen a beta in some time and honestly, got lazy when we updated it.

@evilfantasy I hope you understand that there has been no bad faith from the AdwCleaner team on this topic. I hear your complains for other Malwarebytes products, but please report them in the appropriate section so that the team in charge can do something about it.

Going forward we will add a visual indicator in the UI when a build is an Alpha or Beta so that in case it is wrongly picked by a third party people will be able to easily notice when it's not a final version.

Regards,

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3 minutes ago, jboursier said:

Going forward we will add a visual indicator in the UI when a build is an Alpha or Beta so that in case it is wrongly picked by a third party people will be able to easily notice when it's not a final version.

Awesome. No more, or less, miscommunication.

I told him you had reached out and I was going to give you his direct email but I don't think that is necessary now.

You know when Marcin was in college building Malwarebytes the small crew at Majorgeeks (including me in a small way) was right there helping however we could the whole time. Marcin and Tim (Majorgeeks owner) have each others personal phone numbers. That's why I am kind of taken back with the attacks on Majorgeeks and I hope you understand that there has been no bad faith from Majorgeeks in their listings. I get that download websites have bad reputations but the team at Majorgeeks has supported Malwarebytes before it was even an final product and they do their best to only list clean software.

Anyway hopefully this thread accomplished something. Everyone will know a beta release from a final release going forward.

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