Petrol and diesel car sales ban brought forward to 2035

[sman]

Petrol and diesel car sales ban brought forward to 2035

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51366123?fbclid=IwAR15rUMr0X6U3wPGE6A-bUklP4WoaIIkQWLgaG4iaTsrscXrHW1E5ORKbkM

A ban on selling new petrol, diesel or hybrid cars in the UK will be brought forward from 2040 to 2035 at the latest, under government plans.

The change comes after experts said 2040 would be too late if the UK wants to achieve its target of emitting virtually zero carbon by 2050.

Boris Johnson unveiled the policy as part of a launch event for a United Nations climate summit in November.

He said 2020 would be a "defining year of climate action" for the planet.

The summit, known as COP26, is being hosted in Glasgow. It is an annual UN-led gathering set up to assess progress on tackling climate change.

Sir David Attenborough said at the launch event at London's Science Museum that he was looking forward to COP26 and found it "encouraging" that the UK government was launching a "year of climate action".

"The longer we leave it... the worse it is going to get," he said.

"So now is the moment. It is up to us to organise the nations of the world to do something about it."

[sman]

Nine countries say they’ll ban internal combustion engines. So far, it’s just words.

https://qz.com/1341155/nine-countries-say-they-will-ban-internal-combustion-engines-none-have-a-law-to-do-so/

The internal combustion engine appears to be on its last lap. More than nine countries and a dozen cities or states have announced what the media has called “bans” in the last few years. Copenhagen mayor Frank Jensen wants the city to end all new diesel cars starting next year. Last December, Paris, Madrid, Athens and Mexico City said they would  remove diesel cars and vans by 2025. Norway will phase out conventional cars by 2025, followed by by France and the United Kingdom in 2040 and 2050, respectively.

Yet despite all these commitments, no country has actually passed a law prohibiting anything. ”There is literally not a single ban on the books in regulatory language that is enforceable in any auto market in the world,” Nic Lutsey, director of the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT), said by phone. That doesn’t make them meaningless. Politicians, most of whom will be out of office by the time any bans take effect, can’t tie their successors hands decades into the future. US president Trump, for example, is already busy trying to revoke California’s authority under the Clean Air Act to set its own pollution standards and electric vehicle mandates. If successful, Trump would negate bills such as the one proposed by the state legislature last year to end manufacturing and registration of new gasoline cars in California by 2040.  

[nukecad]

Many believe that 2035 is maybe a bit too ambitious, but could be done if restricted to major towns and cities.

It's not so much the vehicles themselves, but the infrastructure needed, charging points etc., that is going to be the most ambitious.
Major UK cities already have a decent number of charging points, but if everyone goes electric there will need to be many more.
Rural areas where average journeys are typically longer by necessity are much less well served.
Think of the impact of all these needed charging points,  you'll hardly be able to move for charging posts and cabinets in town/city centres - and don't trip over the cables connecting them to vehicles.

Also spare a thought for the many thousands of, usually low paid, workers in filling stations who are going to find themselves without jobs.

The UK is a pretty compact country so infrastructure is not going to be as onerous as places like the USA, Austrailia, Africa, etc. where you are going to need a vehicle with a lot of range to get across some of the vast distances between towns. Self contained solar powered charging points in the deserts perhaps.
You can't really carry a spare battery like you can a gallon or two of fuel. Solar panels on the vehicle roof may work in sunny countries.

Also consider where all the extra electricity needed will be coming from.
Some can come from solar/wind/bio/nuclear plants, but I suspect a considerable amount of capacity will still come from fossil fuel powered generating plants, at least for some time to come.
Not so much eliminating the problem but simply moving it down the line. (Pun intended).

[pondus]

One day the music will be gone and  all cars sound like a Dewalt  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[sman]

 

https://auto.howstuffworks.com/challenges-facing-the-electric-car-industry.htm

[sman]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49578790

5. The zero-carbon fantasy

Even 100% electric vehicles are not a zero-carbon solution.

They may not produce the usual exhaust pipe emissions, but even if all of the UK's electricity was from renewable sources, there would still be an environmental cost.

Sourcing the minerals used for batteries, dismantling batteries which have deteriorated, and building and delivering vehicles to customers worldwide all involve substantial CO2 emissions. It is impossible to break all of the links.

OMG. 

there are even more issues to be sorted out.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/six-problems-with-electric-cars-that-nobody-talks-about-112221.html

Edited February 5, 2020 by sman

[Pierre75]

It all sounds good to replace the old gas guzzlers but there such a lot of problems to solve. Lithium batteries will not last forever and if it burns it will take a long time to douse that fire. I saw on the news that it took up to 2 days to kill the fire.

Australia has a big distance problem. Where I live up to 20,000 persons are unable to use rail to work as the trains are already packed and more services can not be scheduled. Public transport is running at a peak. So they take to the road to Sydney and surrounding suburbs to work. Round trip is at least 3 hours per day - distance 130km round trip (at least). All in all they are looking at a 12 hour day away from home providing the trip is accident free.

I worked in Sydney for 30 years for IBM and traveled by rail - left home at 04:55 and arrived back at 16:45. 👍🤣 No working from home then.

[sman]

The oil barons and auto industry will conspire to drag things around and pray that they succed (but to in turn pay for the dangers of rapid global warming, threatening the echo system).

Edited February 6, 2020 by sman

[nukecad]

I don't think the auto industry are bothered in the slightest, quite the opposite in fact.

Millions of new electric cars to sell, lots of new profits.

The oil barrons are another story, but they (and future generations of their kids) are not exactly going to go short even if oil sales stopped tomorrow.

[sman]

@nukecad

Big Oil Faces A Formidable Foe In Fight Against Electric Vehicles

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/10/02/big-oil-faces-a-formidable-foe-in-fight-against-electric-vehicles/

[AdvancedSetup]

Where are those Electric F22-Raptors and other Military Jets?
What about all those Commercial airline Jets?

Depending on which site you visit there are some 25K+ commercial planes. Airliners.net claims there are some 39K+ commercial and military planes in the World.

They are beginning though. https://www.eviation.co

Does have a 9 passenger, it flies at about 276 MPH and has a range of about 621 miles. Still a long ways off for both regular duty commercial and military jet aircraft but it's a start for those that are into Electrical

 

[AdvancedSetup]

There are an estimated 1.3 billion cars in the World today. Of those, there were only just under 3.3 million battery electric vehicles in use globally in 2018.

 

Only one billion two hundred ninety-six million seven hundred thousand electric vehicle sales to go

 

[sman]

Oh. Never thought abt the aviation angle. Another aspect and issues to sort out. A long way to go.