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You're better off with the Retail version.  You can always wipe off the old computer prior to selling and install Linux if nothing else :P

 

it will basically pay for itself over the life span of 2 computers.

 

I agree. Haha, yeah, haven't sold any PC yet, so it will be fun to do so when the time comes!  ;)

 

Yes, exactly. 

 

Will update here with whatever decision I take. :)

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a while back i did some digging along these lines with a similar topic ... i believe that i made a thread about it .

much of the trouble with licensing comes from understandability (hey , the spell check says it is a word !) as has been mentioned .

i won't go into the OS stuff that OEMs (dell , gateway , asus , etc .) put in their machines as it is not relevant in this instance .

 

from what i (came to) understand ... and i am not 100% certain about it .

with XP and W7 ... no matter how you roll the dice it comes up : "one unique copy/activation/serial number registered to a particular motherboard" .

with W8/8.1 ... the full retail version is transferable from one machine to another by the original activator/owner

 

if they drew pictures of the various ways that an OS can be installed on various types of comps it would make this whole deal easier ...

think of the "picture story problems" in the first and second grades ... they were fairly effective .

 

there is a guy on EBAY that is selling W7 OS disks , his price is around 75 bucks , has a 99.7 positive feedback , over 70K in sales transactions , has been around for a few years and is very helpful .

i have purchased several of his products for installation on machines that i have built from scratch or replaced the motherboard and/or hard drive in (especially the hard drive replacement in laptops) .

in all cases , there were/are no problems whatsoever .

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Indeed, understandability is one of the issues. Like it my case, what I needed was simply the retail version of Windows 7 (which of course I came to know after research only), but the main problems were lack of knowledge about various terms used and in my case, the biggest problem being availability of Windows 7 retail since it phased out by Microsoft couple of years ago. And on internet very few put the description correctly, which adds to the confusion.

 

Now, I am not being to find the retail version easily and whatever I have come across is around $230. But I think buying retail version would be the best bet, as discussed, even if I will have to pay more for it now. At least, I will be able to use it for years...

 

BTW, do you have the ebay link of the seller you are talking about? It is very likely that it could be an OEM version only, but I am interested to see it.

 

Also one more question to all - If I buy Windows 7 Professional Full/retail version, can I do an "upgrade" to Windows 8 in future? Or is there any catch here as well?

 

Thanks!

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i would not do an "upgrade" ... this can really be a hassle and turn into a can of worms .

personally speaking , the best bet is a full clean install of W8.1 (with the "classic shell" program loaded first thing) .

 

also , W8.1 may not be compatible with a comp that runs W7 .

i have seen cases where an XP machine will not move to 8.1 but will run 7 ... then there are cases where a vista machine will not run XP or 8.1 ...

still further , how about an XP machine that won't run vista but will run 8.1 .

/it boggles the mind

a major issue are MB drivers and such ... and the drivers that are built for W7 are not always compatible with W8.1 (video drivers especially) .

it is a "case by case" basis .

 

ebay sellers :

the guy i have ordered from : http://www.ebay.com/usr/project_contact

 

another seller :

http://www.ebay.com/usr/platinummicro

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The ONLY way you can install the same software on multiple machines is if is its a Volume License Key (VLK) which is bought by and used in Enterprise environments and where the OS comes with a system such as Dell.  In the latter case the BIOS is read by the installer and it knows whether a license needs to be entered and is legal.  You will see that when the OS is installed, the OS is company "branded".
 
This is outside the nature of what this forum supports. 
 
If LoveEnigma is a registered business then LoveEnigma shouldn't be posting this subject matter here and should seek business level partnerships.

 

If LoveEnigma is an individual, then LoveEnigma should be buying what is offered OTC and tie each DVD purchased to ONE computer. 

One license, one computer.

 

This forum can't help anyone pirate a Windows OS.  Improper application of licensing to multiple machines outside of a business relationship with Microsoft would be pirating Microsoft's software.

 

As for eBay - caveat emptor comes to mind.

 

BTW:  I don't love Enigma.  I love Colossus which broke Enigma.   post-14644-0-45218200-1394538106.gif

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i would not do an "upgrade" ... this can really be a hassle and turn into a can of worms .

personally speaking , the best bet is a full clean install of W8.1 (with the "classic shell" program loaded first thing) .

 

also , W8.1 may not be compatible with a comp that runs W7 .

i have seen cases where an XP machine will not move to 8.1 but will run 7 ... then there are cases where a vista machine will not run XP or 8.1 ...

still further , how about an XP machine that won't run vista but will run 8.1 .

/it boggles the mind

a major issue are MB drivers and such ... and the drivers that are built for W7 are not always compatible with W8.1 (video drivers especially) .

it is a "case by case" basis .

 

ebay sellers :

the guy i have ordered from : http://www.ebay.com/usr/project_contact

 

another seller :

http://www.ebay.com/usr/platinummicro

 

Yes, that's true. I haven't done any upgrade yet, and would also prefer a clean install to avoid any mess.

 

project_contact seems to be a good seller. Even I came in contact with him, and actually I have included the link in my first post for Windows 7 which I was thinking of buying from him.

 

But my point was, if I buy Retail copy of Windows 7, can I upgrade to Windows 8 instead of buying a full version version?

 

 

The ONLY way you can install the same software on multiple machines is if is its a Volume License Key (VLK) which is bought by and used in Enterprise environments and where the OS comes with a system such as Dell.  In the latter case the BIOS is read by the installer and it knows whether a license needs to be entered and is legal.  You will see that when the OS is installed, the OS is company "branded".

 

This is outside the nature of what this forum supports. 

 

If LoveEnigma is a registered business then LoveEnigma shouldn't be posting this subject matter here and should seek business level partnerships.

 

If LoveEnigma is an individual, then LoveEnigma should be buying what is offered OTC and tie each DVD purchased to ONE computer. 

One license, one computer.

 

This forum can't help anyone pirate a Windows OS.  Improper application of licensing to multiple machines outside of a business relationship with Microsoft would be pirating Microsoft's software.

 

As for eBay - caveat emptor comes to mind.

 

BTW:  I don't love Enigma.  I love Colossus which broke Enigma.

 

Now I am not going to see what VLK is all about. In fact I won't need it for sure. Of course I am an individual and therefore would prefer retail version. Can't afford one license, one computer.

 

Btw, I understand that this is not the correct forum to ask this question, but I think I have got a good response from everyone - important thing is I did not go with the ebay seller item.

 

Just because this is not the best forum to ask this question, I dropped my questions in the Microsoft community as well. Here are the links so that you may also read if interested. Might be helpful.

 

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_install/purchase-windows-7-oem-version-or-full-consumer/d83a8c38-fedd-4196-b589-6f7c4393f1cc?rtAction=1394549746994

 

And hey, I did not get this - I love Colossus which broke Enigma. :)

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But my point was, if I buy Retail copy of Windows 7, can I upgrade to Windows 8 instead of buying a full version version?

 

 

 

Yes, BUT upgrading will make your "retail" copy in valid. The whole reason to get the retail version is to be able to use it on the next computer. Upgrading it with the cheaper upgrade Win 8 license voids the license you upgraded from.

 

In other words you can NOT use the Win 7 on another machine while you have the Win 8 upgrade installed.

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Yes, BUT upgrading will make your "retail" copy in valid. The whole reason to get the retail version is to be able to use it on the next computer. Upgrading it with the cheaper upgrade Win 8 license voids the license you upgraded from.

 

 

In other words you can NOT use the Win 7 on another machine while you have the Win 8 upgrade installed.

 

Oh I see. Thank you for the reply.

 

But I can install Windows 7 later at some point if I want to uninstall Windows 8, right?

I just mean that I will have two OS DVDs, W7 & W8, with me. However, I will be able to install and activate only one at any given point of time. ?

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This is OT and if it is to be discussed it probably can/should go to another thread.  :lol:

 

And hey, I did not get this - I love Colossus which broke Enigma. :)

 
In World War II the Germans used the Enigma Machine to encode Germany Navy messages to the wolf packs of submarines operating in the mid-Atlantic Ocean.  The British had a program at Bleachly Park where the first electronic digital computer called Colossus was used to break the Enigma code.  Colossus was a classified British system and remained so for 20 years after the end of WWII.
 
Below is the 3-Rotor Enigma Machine.  The 7-Rotor Enigma Machine was more complex to decode but that too was broken by Colossus.
 
 
BP_enigma_mach_1.jpg
 
References:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_rotor_details
http://www.colossus-computer.com/colossus1.html
http://cryptomuseum.com/crypto/colossus/index.htm
https://suite101.com/a/colossus-computer-and-alan-turing-a65966

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Thanks, we check that out.

 

Yes,  One or the other but not both at the same time. Telephone activation might be necessary.

 

Great! Thank you for the information.

 

This is OT and if it is to be discussed it probably can/should go to another thread.  :lol:

 

 

In World War II the Germans used the Enigma Machine to encode Germany Navy messages to the wolf packs of submarines operating in the mid-Atlantic Ocean.  The British had a program at Bleachly Park where the first electronic digital computer called Colossus was used to break the Enigma code.  Colossus was a classified British system and remained so for 20 years after the end of WWII.

 

Below is the 3-Rotor Enigma Machine.  The 7-Rotor Enigma Machine was more complex to decode but that too was broken by Colossus.

 

 

BP_enigma_mach_1.jpg

 

References:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_rotor_details

http://www.colossus-computer.com/colossus1.html

http://cryptomuseum.com/crypto/colossus/index.htm

https://suite101.com/a/colossus-computer-and-alan-turing-a65966

Oh well, history! I probably should not have asked :P But thanks for the information and links. :)

 

LoveEnigma = Love Enigma's music. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_(musical_project)

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