First off let me apologize for posting in the wrong forum, I had several posts open in different tabs and brain farted I guess (no idea if this warrants being moved or just deleted now)... Anyways, here's an update... I tried reinstalling, renaming and rebooting several times and nothing worked so I uninstalled mbam, ran HJT and everything that was listed should of been there, verified that TDSServer wasn't listed anymore and rebooted... Tried to install mbam as soon as it came up and the same thing happened again... Once again I ran HJT and all was clean, but when I went to devmgmt the TDSServer was back!! So this time I uninstalled mbam again and rebooted... then I disabled the TDSServer, rebooted and reinstalled mbam (which was already renamed setup.exe) and it is currently scanning after a successful update... no idea how or why it got buggered up in the first place... But it's only about another half hour till the dark side of the force will feel a disturbance in the force as another comrade dies Here's a neat point of interest, neither the CA software nor the Windows Defender found anything before... Now with the MB running and reporting 6 infections already, both the CA and WD are reporting issues as well... Does anyone know if this is just a simple "the TDSServer got in and cloaked everything" or do these programs have the ability to piggyback other programs?? This isn't the first time I've seen this type of behavior...